After yesterdays post, I went down and slotted Dougs chain stays for the dropouts. I thought I heard him mention wanting a shamrock cut out on his bottom bracket, so I free handed a quick one to see how it would look. That's a Pacenti bb, that has the tighter seat tube/down tube angle which is easier to work with when building cross frames with their longer forks. Glad he is producing them again. Happy New year!